Regardless of who Everton get as manager, there's no doubt the club have botched the recruitment process.
The Toffees who are struggling near the bottom of the Premier League despite pre-season expectations of a push for the Top 6, sacked Ronald Koeman in October and results have not picked up under caretaker David Unsworth.
Marco Silva of Watford appears to be their favoured target but other names like Sean Dyche, Ireland manager Martin O'Neill and Sam Allardyce have also been bandied about.
BBC chief sports writer Phil McNulty joined Joe and Kevin to discuss the situation and gave us an update on the latest in the search for a permanent manager at Goodison Park.
"The latest we know today is that it appears that the interest in Sam Allardyce has been re-activated," he said.
"This has stretched out over five weeks since Ronald Koeman's sacking and I just think two defeats and the manner of those two defeats in the last few days have refocused minds at Goodison.
Everton co-owner Farhad Moshiri during the Premier League match at Goodison Park, Liverpool. Peter Byrne/PA Wire/PA Images
"It looks like at the moment, Sam Allardyce is the leading contender to come in. It's someone they've had to turn back to. I mean, initially they seemed not too keen a few weeks ago."
And given how approaches for Silva have come to nothing, the passing of time leaves Allardyce in a stronger position than when they first contacted him.
"It's almost played out perfectly for him because now it's not a question of him trying to persuade them, they're trying to persuade him so he in effect holds all the cards and in many ways it sums up the shambles of this whole thing from the day Ronald Koeman was sacked," said McNulty.
The muddled thinking comes from different options favoured by the top brass at the club, with director of football Steve Walsh keen on Allardyce but owner Farhad Moshiri having other ideas.
